Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

lascia in totale aggetto

English translation:

lets completely prevail/predominate

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Apr 26, 2021 09:37
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Italian term

lascia in totale aggetto

Italian to English Art/Literary Music composition
This is an essay on the use of cyclical structures in Debussy's Sonata for flute, viola and harp.
The sentence states "Debussy lascia in totale aggetto nella parte della viola l’inciso α, "

I am unable to grasp what is meant here by "aggetto" which is usually used to describe a an overhang or a stringcord in buildings.
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May 4, 2021 05:42: Go2translate Created KOG entry

Discussion

Go2translate Apr 26, 2021:
inciso Hi Howard, I am not sure if you are asking if it is better to translate 'inciso' or to leave it in Italian. If this is the case, I confess I was inclined to leave the word 'inciso' in Italian, because I thought that this text addresses an audience who is familiar with classical music jargon. However, I guess it is up to the client to decide, and if you need to translate it, I am sending you the link below, hoping it can be of some help in spotting the right term. I am not 100% sure

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostinato
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostinato

Howard Sugar (asker) Apr 26, 2021:
A secondary problem with this sentence is the word "inciso" which in the Italian musical world means one half of a "semi-frase", hence a very brief segment,
Howard Sugar (asker) Apr 26, 2021:
Full sentence Debussy lascia in totale aggetto nella parte della viola l’inciso α, ricorrendo nuovamente al massimo dell’intensità dinamica (più forte) e a una marcatura “du talon” che favorisce la realizzazione di un gesto tagliente, ripetuto per 6 volte, che non è più contenuto all’interno di una linea melodica o di una complessa texture polifonica, ma definitivamente setacciato in una sorta di culmine enfatico dell’intero movimento, e insieme della stessa composizione
Ian Mansbridge Apr 26, 2021:
Hi Howard, any chance you could provide the rest of the sentence for a bit more context? Many thanks!

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lets completely prevail/predominate

'aggetto' can be used also to indicate something that stands out.
I believe it means that the 'inciso a' is what stands out/is predominant in the viola part.

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agree Ian Mansbridge : Yes, I think this is the meaning. I'd go for something simple like "pasage a dominates the viola part" - the sentence is complicated enough without a literal translation of the "lascia".
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Thank you Ian
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leaves it in for the entire length of the overture

Thanks for this. At first glance, it sounds (excuse the pun) to me like this may refer to the viola being played throughout the overture, or leaving it out (or leaving it in) for the entire overture.

Only issue I see with this is the idea of the overture usually being in the beginning of a piece, and the source text here including words like culmination.

But it could also be an overture to a movement (not the entire piece) so maybe the last piece which would make sense given that it somehow seems to represent the composition (composizione) as a whole.

Can you provide the reference of the actual piece of music that this is referring to? I think the best or most likely interpretation to go with is to say that Debussy is leaving in the viola part completely in this overture, whereas in other overtures or passages in the same piece he took it out. But this time since it is a climax or culmination, he uses the "du talon" marking six times for extra volume and emphasis to create drama.
Peer comment(s):

disagree writeaway : an overture to a sonata?
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ah i see thanks!
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leaves hanging on alone

'Debussy leaves theme a hanging on completely alone in the viola part'
There is a point in the last movement where the original Gb-C motif is played six times in the viola, whilst the other parts are silent. I am guessing this is what the text is referring to. It could be just that the motif is prominent, as has been suggested, but I wonder whether it also refers to the idea of the theme left over from the beginning surviving with minimal support.

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Note added at 6 giorni (2021-05-03 09:21:25 GMT)
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An inciso is a motif (or motive), or possibly a figure; both mean a very small thematic element. A motif is (roughly) an important figure, and it looks as if this Gb-C figure is used as an important motif in this piece.
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