May 9, 2023 09:42
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Spanish term

Selección Absoluta

Spanish to English Other Sports / Fitness / Recreation Selección Absoluta de Baloncesto
Buenas, estamos traduciendo un texto castellano al inglés y no sabemos bien cómo interpretar este término. Pongo uno de los párrafos donde aparece como contexto.


... durante todos los partidos televisados de las selecciones Absolutas Masculina y Femenina de la FEB que se disputen en territorio español y que sean titularidad de la FEB y organizados por ésta...

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O G V May 10, 2023:
se está hablando de encuentros televisados así que parece muy pertinente/conveniente diferenciar categorías con senior, full o algo que corresponda a absoluta. Otra cosa es que ni senior ni full ni absoluta se digan habitualmente y se dé por supuesto que "la selección" es la absoluta.
Ya Neil señala que se puede llamar full national team. Detallo algunas referencias valiosas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules


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... that made an inspired run to the FIFA U-20 World Cup Quarterfinals up to the U-23 MNT and in the case of defender Matt Miazga the full National Team.

insisto, todos son casos en los que se diferencia entre categorías. En el caso de los derechos de estas retransmisiones, parece oportuno distinguir con precisión.
O G V May 9, 2023:
la categoría previa es la sub-21, quitando la olímpica que es caso aparte. En la absoluta lo habitual es que vayan a partir de los 21 pero pueden ir con menos, porque no tiene límite de edad.

No sé si senior sería impreciso (ver referencia), quizás incluso puede ser una buena respuesta. Parece que full se corresponde mejor con absoluta, a tenor de los resultados y de las dudas que hay en otros prozianos. Es llamativo lo poco que sale en la wiki senior en estas páginas y en cambio, absoluta es muy frecuente y, sin duda, un término reconocible para la afición.

Saludos, Neil.
Neil Ashby May 9, 2023:
Hi OGV,

What does "la categoría anterior sólo acepta menores de 21 años pero en la absoluta se pueden incluir a jugadores de menos edad..." mean?

In my mind your saying both teams accept players under 21, the former exclusively (so I guess you're talking about an under 21 team?) and the latter may include players under and over 21 years, i.e. the "senior" team. This seems self-evident, so I don't see what's your point?
All "under" categories are junior categories and the category open to all ages is "senior".

We then use "over 40", "over 50" etc, for what you might be confusing with "senior" categories.
O G V May 9, 2023:
¿absoluta es senior o no? la categoría anterior sólo acepta menores de 21 años pero en la absoluta se pueden incluir a jugadores de menos edad...

Me preguntaba si hay otra forma de decirlo en inglés más precisa que senior y ha aparecido full national team, con muy buenas coincidencias.

Resulta clara y no deja dudas con el límite de edad... Y como decía, en este caso se debe precisar que se trata de la absoluta porque debe haber derechos televisivos en juego. Y parece que como senior puede resultar inexacto, es mejor poner full o highest category.

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Senior national team

'absoluta' se refiere a la edad de los jugadores: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selección_de_fútbol#Selección_...

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In reply to Sergio, my reference includes a section explaining that after all the 'sub' selecciones, we reach the 'selección absoluta', which is the senior team.
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neutral Sergio Kot : Please read carefully the entire explanation in your ref.
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Please see my note and ref.
agree ezpz : Reference is fine. This is the correct translation, because it specifically says the "top flight" team, differing it from Under-21's, Olympic Team, etc. The "main"/"regular" team when talking about it in the press, that go play the UEFA/FIFA matches.
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Exactly, many thanks!
agree Neil Ashby : I'm definitely used to hearing "senior" in football (basketball is a 3ry sport in the UK). We often just say the "national team" or sometimes the "full team" but both only as juxtapositions to "under 23s", "under 21s", etc.
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Many thanks Neil!
agree neilmac : Don't be sorry, but I'm not "wrong". Senior is technically correct, but nobody ever says it in real life.
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Sorry Neil, you're wrong - after graduating through the 'sub' teams, players end up in the senior team.//But if a questioner wants the translation of a word, we should provide it. No one says 'absoluta' in real life either, but that's the word in question
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National Team

A national football team is the representative football team of a country or a region of a country
("Una selección de fútbol es el equipo de fútbol representativo de un país o de una región del mismo").

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I don’t think you need to worry about the “absoluta” part, although you could probably use something like “top/ elite“… if you were really desperate to convey the notion.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFgEFRaSP80

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Unlike ET, I don't think "senior" adds anything or cuts the mustard. We have the national team and then the "under 21s"... etc.
As the other Neil says below: -We often just say the "national team"- And I've never heard it called the "senior" team, in my six decades of existence.
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agree Sergio Kot
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agree William Bowley : Agree that senior adds nothing. U21s could also be 'national U21s' but 'national team' alone is commonly taken as referring to the main national team.
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Great minds...:)
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está última coincidencia deja claro que "full national team" se usa para diferenciarla del resto de categorías.

Peer comment(s):

neutral neilmac : TLDR.
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ok for "its highest..." but "full national team" too long???
neutral Sergio Kot : Just XXXX (country) National Team
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Selección nacional (absoluta)=(Full) National Team. En los dos idiomas se sobreentiende que es la principal, pero en el contexto parece oportuno explicitarlo.
disagree William Bowley : There don't seem to be any reliable sources amongst that stream of references. This is very evidently a non-native effort.
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neutral philgoddard : Right or wrong, this has way too many references.
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como se habla de televisados, parece propio precisar que es la absoluta/senior

pero parece habitual decir sólo national team, sin más.
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