Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

barones del boom

English translation:

heavyweights of the literature boom

Added to glossary by liz askew
Oct 14, 2023 21:12
7 mos ago
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Spanish term

barones del boom

Spanish to English Art/Literary Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
This is from a text about an Argentine photographer whose work includes photographs of authors:
La publicación en formato económico propicia el encuentro entre las estampas de 21 escritores, sus firmas y nombres, junto con un texto que cada uno escribe para la ocasión. Retratos consolida visualmente el panteón de los barones del boom (Cortázar, Varga Llosa, Sábato) y ellos lo ocupan haciendo lo que le corresponde a un escritor de esos años: fumar, leer libros, poner cara de pensar, contemplar la consagración por venir.

I understand the idea perfectly, I think, something like the big boys of the Latin American literary boom. My question is if the expression "barones del boom" is an invention of the author of this text or if others have used it as well.
Many thanks!
Change log

Jan 2, 2024 09:43: liz askew changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/28228">Wendy Gosselin's</a> old entry - "barones del boom"" to ""heavyweights of the literature boom""

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Discussion

Andrew Bramhall Oct 19, 2023:
@Allegro My guess is the same as yours, i.e, that it's a personal invention on the part of the author; you illusion to "press barons" would probably only apply to Rupert Murdoch no0wadays, and by the same token you could probably describe Richard Branson as the " space travel baron" or " hot air ballooning baron"; spurious-sounding titles indeed!
AllegroTrans Oct 18, 2023:
"My question is if the expression "barones del boom" is an invention of the author of this text or if others have used it as well".
How are we to tell? Surely the asker who has the complete text and who alone knows who the author is, is the only person who can answer this. To answer the second question all she has to do is to google the term. Why do others have to do this?
Andrew Bramhall Oct 17, 2023:
@Allegro The reference to the 12th/13th centuries was a whimsical and oblique historical reference to the baronial wars starting under King Stephen in the 1130's culminating in King John's Magna Carta in 1215;
AllegroTrans Oct 16, 2023:
Thank you AB... but maybe it IS intended to refer to males. Asker to assess this; she has the full text and is better placed to judge. She did refer to the "big boys". I don't see the term "barons" as necessarily pertaining to the 12th and 13th century, it's a term often used to refer to the kingpins; cf. "press barons", hardly medieval landowners. Also used to refer to captains of industry.
Andrew Bramhall Oct 16, 2023:
Also agree with Phil Goddard 'Baron' is a lame and barren answer here, being gender-specific and often with a pejorative connotation; surprised Allegrtrans even had to ask what the objections would be to using it here.
AllegroTrans Oct 16, 2023:
@ Phil Thanks but my question was directed at Wendy, who has the whole document and should be in a position to make a value judgement
Muriel Vasconcellos Oct 16, 2023:
boom barons With "doom" in the adjectival place, it's harder to make out the meaning than when it's spelled out.
neilmac Oct 15, 2023:
Agree with phil In fact, the first collocation with "baron" that springs to mind is "robber": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)
philgoddard Oct 15, 2023:
Why reject 'barons'? 1. To me it implies bullies who have got rich at others' expense
2. It's exclusively male
AllegroTrans Oct 15, 2023:
Asker any reason for rejecting to the direst translation - "boom barons"?
Muriel Vasconcellos Oct 15, 2023:
Combine "Leading lights" + "in their heyday"
neilmac Oct 15, 2023:
Baron/es In Spain, it tends to mean the top dogs in any kind of area. For example, some top ranking regional politicians are known as barons. So, I'd consider using similar phrases, without sticking doggedly to "baron" as a translation option.
Muriel Vasconcellos Oct 15, 2023:
Not right yet I'm trying to think of something, but I don't think the suggestions so far are quite right.

Proposed translations

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heavyweights of the literature boom

FWIW, I associate "boom" with economics, not literature, so perhaps by inserting "literature" it would sound better in English??

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https://www2.proz.com/kudoz/7157839

****Peruvian Nobel prize-winner Mario Vargas Llosa, the last living heavyweight of the Latin American boom***** that introduced Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Carlos Fuentes and Julio Cortazar to English-speaking readers in the 1960s,

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Yes, I like my version best!!:):)
Peer comment(s):

agree T o b i a s
4 hrs
neutral Andrew Bramhall : Not wrong but still sounds contrived to me.
22 hrs
agree Laura Mico
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I like heavyweights...has the touch of irony of barons. Thanks! "
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[Latin American] boom barons/lords/sirs

Se puede trasladar con títulos nobiliarios propios y típicos del inglés.

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Or the barons/lords/sirs of the Latin American boom
Peer comment(s):

agree Juan Jacob : Sí, también hay barones -al menos en España- de partidos políticos. Es decir, los jefes, los mandamás, los encumbrados.
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neutral philgoddard : Sorry to change my agree. Lords/sirs doesn't work, but I feel barons has negative connotations that are probably not there in the Spanish.
2 hrs
neutral Muriel Vasconcellos : word order is strange, to me at least
2 hrs
neutral liz askew : I can't find any examples on line on any bona fide En language sites
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disagree Andrew Bramhall : This doesn't work in English, sorry.
22 hrs
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10 hrs

the barons in their heyday

HEYDAY | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
Cambridge Dictionary
https://dictionary.cambridge.org › dictionary › heyday
the most successful or popular period of someone or something: **In their heyday,** they sold as many records as all the other groups in the country put together.

Examples:

Examples of 'heyday' in a sentence

Collins Dictionary
https://www.collinsdictionary.com › sentences › english
Tales that send a shiver down the spine were **in their heyday** in the Victorian age. Times, Sunday Times. (2011). This was undoubtedly their heyday and their ...
The Andrews Sisters **in their heyday**

BBC
https://www.bbc.com › entertainment-arts-21272569
The Andrews Sisters **in their heyday **

A vision of vintage elegance, 1950s cocktail dresses **are as glamorous today as they were in their heyday.** 0. 0. During the heyday of masquerade balls, people ...

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › 1928/09/09 › archives › twee...
**TWEEDS IN THEIR HEYDAY**; Coats of Strong Fabrics Are Offered for Heavy Duty in Town and Country. Share full article. Read in app. Sept. 9, 1928.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Andrew Bramhall : In England, that would have been in the 12th/13th centuries.
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greatest exponents of Latin American literature

In Latin America exists a movement of writers who gained international recognition. This group is known as the Boom.
"barones" are the most important members in an organization, group, or alliance.
"barones del boom" means "Máximos exponentes de la literatura latino Americana".

In a figurative sense, "barones" means "greatest exponents of Latin American literature".
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11 hrs

leading lights

As per my discussion comment.
Leading lights (of the literary boom)
Other options are available.

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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569325.2018.15...

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Luminary
/ˈluːmɪn(ə)ri/
noun
1.
a person who inspires or influences others, especially one prominent in a particular sphere.
"one of the luminaries of child psychiatry"
Similar:
leading light
guiding light
inspiration
leader
expert
master


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https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barón#:~:text=Como término pol...
Example sentence:

X was born in Uruguay and is considered a leading light of the "Latin American Boom" generation

Peer comment(s):

agree liz askew : I like this ....."of the literature boom"
6 hrs
Cheers :)
agree philgoddard
8 hrs
Tx :-)
agree Andrew Bramhall : Sorry Neil, hadn't seen your added ' luminary' note before posting that same answer.// Sadly, there are too many askers like that round these parts;
15 hrs
I could post more synonyms, but this asker hardly ever acknowledges my input...
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Luminaries

is the term often given to those who stand out in a particular field;

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/luminary
Peer comment(s):

agree neilmac : I often use this sarcastically ("not exactly a luminary")...
22 hrs
Yep, thanks.
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2 days 9 hrs

Literary giants

This might cover the idea behind this series of portraits - monstres sacrés maybe going too far! Though nobody has answered Asker's question as to whether it is an invented metaphor in Spanish in this context.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

see

http://apuntesdeliteraturalatinoamericana.blogspot.com/2011/...

Definir el “boom” no es tarea fácil. Tiene su origen en la terminología del “marketing” moderno norteamericano para designar el alza brusca de las ventas de un determinado producto, en este caso, los libros. Para ajustar la definición del “boom” es importante recabar la opinión de los escritores que por él resultaron elegidos, presenciando la opinión de los protagonistas a un fenómeno sociológico enteramente nuevo.
a) Mario Vargas Llosa , en el “Coloquiodel Libro” celebrado en Caracas en julio de 1972 señala: “ lo que se llama ahora el ‘boom’ y que nadie sabe exactamente lo que es —yo particularmente no lo sé— es un conjunto de escritores, tampoco se sabe exactamente quiénes, pues cada uno tiene su propia lista, que adquirieron, de manera más o menos simultánea en el tiempo, cierta difusión, cierto reconocimiento por parte del público y de la crítica. Esto puede llamarse, tal vez, un accidente histórico. No se trató de un movimiento literario vinculado a un ideario estético, político o moral…un Cortázar o un Fuentes tienen pocas cosas en común y muchas otras en divergencias. Los editores aprovecharon muchísimo la situación,

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https://guides.lib.wayne.edu/sotm/2023/09

The Latin American Literature Boom, a transformative literary movement spanning from the 1960s to the 1970s, marked a remarkable eruption of creative expression and cultural exploration in the region. Emerging against a backdrop of political and social upheaval, this literary phenomenon showcased the works of authors like Jorge Luis Borges, Gabriel García Márquez, Julio Cortázar, Mario Vargas Llosa, and Carlos Fuentes, who crafted narratives deeply intertwined with the unique complexities of Latin American reality.

The Latin American Literature Boom not only brought international recognition to the region's authors but also spotlighted themes of identity, political oppression, and social inequality. Their profound impact continues to resonate, influencing subsequent generations of writers and fostering a richer understanding of the intricate tapestry of Latin American life and thought.

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"barón" could = heavyweight

https://www2.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/government-po...
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Reference:

See

A little web research (which asker could have done herself) will show that "boom barons" is a term in use

Stanley Marcus Saw the Future
Fashion For Real Women
https://fashionforrealwomen.com › blog › stanley-mar...
... boom barons in eastern Texas. They pooled all their money, borrowed more from friends and family, and while Herbert and Al oversaw construction in Dallas ...

Beech Grove Cemetery
Beech Grove Cemetery
https://beechgrovecemetery.com › cemetery
Beech Grove Cemetery is the final resting place for many of Muncie's founding families, gas boom barons and veterans of every war from the Revolutionary War ...

Marc Benioff Calls On Tech To Give Back — Big
NBC Bay Area
https://www.nbcbayarea.com › news › marc-benioff-c...
The Salesforce.com CEO has little patience or understanding for fellow tech boom barons who don't want to give back, according to to San Francisco Magazine.

Deep Jungle: Journey To The Heart Of The Rainforest
google.co.uk
https://books.google.co.uk › books
Fred Pearce · 2010 · ‎History
... boom barons of a century before, as he was in keeping out the cattle ranchers. But he was fêted nonetheless: here was a fantastic story of a man who could ...

The Black Dahlia: The first book in the classic L.A. Quartet ...
google.co.uk
https://books.google.co.uk › books
James Ellroy · 2011 · ‎Fiction
... boom barons' - Mack Sennett and Emmett Sprague among them - and their 'gangster ties.' Confidean magazine ran a series on Sennett's Hollywoodland tract and ...

Appendix 2-10 Information Provided to Aurecon
Victorian Planning Authority
https://vpa.vic.gov.au › uploads › 2014/03 › PSP-...
Davies, one of Melbourne's great land boom barons. Davies, a one time Speaker of the. Legislative Assembly was well known for his pursuit of wealth through ...
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