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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

ardue elucubrazioni

English translation:

complex cogitation

Added to glossary by NicoleRZ
Sep 9, 2010 19:41
13 yrs ago
Italian term

ardue elucubrazioni

Italian to English Art/Literary Music
"Il mostro lento e poderoso di 6 Dementia Satyr nasce da un amplesso sacrilego fra Black Sabbath e King Crimson, le cadenze pesanti dei primi e le ardue elucubrazioni dei secondi."
Proposed translations (English)
3 complex cogitation
5 arduous elucubrations
3 nocturnal ruminations
3 complicatd solutions

Discussion

NicoleRZ (asker) Sep 12, 2010:
thank u everyone Grazie mille to all of you! I went with Sarah's answer b/c I felt it fit the best. I wish I could give you all a point as you were correct :)
cynthiatesser Sep 12, 2010:
Murcaninglish :-) I think AE tends to be more simple and straightforward than BE. Certain high-sounding words and twisted expression do seem weird in AE, I have noticed. I'm not a native speaker of either (I learned English in sunny California, though, but also have a Cambridge certification) so I cannot be an expert but I think that my looking from the outside may give me an unbiased comprehensive view of the matter. So, what I see is that AE dosn't like sophisticated terms and tortuous expressions
Tom in London Sep 12, 2010:
And if they sound odd in Italian... ....the translator's job is make them sound odd in English. Especially since, as you admit, the "oddness" is intentional.
NicoleRZ (asker) Sep 11, 2010:
:) lol, thanks Tom. I realize that they are supposed to be odd... but they are still just so... odd
Tom in London Sep 9, 2010:
BUt.....Nicole... those phrases are *meant* to sound odd! No offence intended, but maybe you Murcans just don't do our European irony..... :)
NicoleRZ (asker) Sep 9, 2010:
I was considering... arduous ruminations prior to posting but seemed so... well... incomprehensible... but as you mention Tom, the author uses a lot of phrases that are really... odd. I'd really like terms that are a little more commonly used but not sure if that's possible.

Proposed translations

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complex cogitation

My 2c

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10 Jun 2008... strange and complex chords are clustered. The result is a bit like King Crimson with the spectre of Steve Albini looming over them and ...
reynoldsretro.blogspot.com/.../post-rock-america-directors-cut-wire.html

This album's instrumental sections aren't jammy, but more cogitative and symphonic, ... This is sort of a cross of Genesis and King Crimson. ... Pulsar plays an intense, bizarre and complex symphonic rock, featuring luminous epics. ...
www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=112
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks Sarah. I think this phrase is the most appropriate."
22 mins

arduous elucubrations

this.

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Note added at 23 mins (2010-09-09 20:05:19 GMT)
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the slightly absurd, elaborate phraseology is wholly intentional. It perfectly captures the ponderous portentousness of the spectacle the reviewer is describing.
Peer comment(s):
neutral cynthiatesser : I think it should be "lucubrations"
10 hrs
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59 mins
Italian term (edited): ardue Dementia Satyr

nocturnal ruminations

Maintains the cant.

rumination (plural ruminations) (psychology) negative cyclic thinking; persistent and recurrent worrying or brooding

Given the fast-heavy nature of Today is the Day - I thought 'ruminations' created the image of a dark, rebellious, introspective youth.

'Nocturnal' ties in the adjective 'lucubration' - intense and prolonged study or meditation; especially, late at night with 'ruminations.'
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10 hrs

complicatd solutions

I like it simple in English

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Note added at 2 days12 hrs (2010-09-12 08:32:15 GMT)
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complicatEd, of course, or complex
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