Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

Tommasini

English translation:

Tommasini

Added to glossary by Nicola (Mr.) Nobili
Jan 4, 2006 11:52
18 yrs ago
Italian term

Tommasini

Italian to English Other Names (personal, company) name
How you pronounce it: with s or z in the middle?


I put it in this pair, becuase I presume this is Italian name and I hope to get the answer A.S.A.P.

Discussion

Nicola (Mr.) Nobili Jan 4, 2006:
If that person is from the North, s/he says /Tommazini/, if that person is from the South, s/he says /Tommasini/. In any case, the difference is irrelevant: in all likelihood that person will not even sense the difference.
Natalia Elo (asker) Jan 4, 2006:
Nicola, and what if the person lives in Luxembourg?

Proposed translations

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Tommasini

The pronunciation is roughly the following:

/tomma'?ini/

The "o" is a closed vowel, the "m" is a long consonant (typical of Italian), the two "i" are slightly longer than the "i" in "brick" and ? is...

Hey, that's the rub! In Northern Italy people would certainly pronounce it as "z" in English, this normally happens when a "s" is between two vowels.

In Southern Italy, people would certainly pronounce it like "s" in "sun".

In other words, it depends on the Italian region where a speaker is from. Unlike in English (lose vs. loose, his vs. hiss, plays vs. place), there are no minimal pairs involving the two sounds /s/ and /z/. For this reason, Italians do not really care, in all likelihood they will not even hear the difference, or vaguely sense the speaker is from another part of the country, but certainly do not confuse the meaning of a word because of this tiny detail.

In addition to this, I should like to mention this surname has a slight variation: "Tomassini". In this case, the double "s" is a long consonant and sounds like "s" in "sun" (undoubtedly). Make sure the surname is right, confusing the two is quite easy.

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Note added at 31 mins (2006-01-04 12:23:28 GMT)
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Since I read you are Russian, let me explain it some other way: áóêâà "s" ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ "ñ" èëè "ç", â çàâèñèìîñòè îò îáëàñòè. Íî â îòëè÷èè îò ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà (ñëîé è çëîé, ñìåé è çìåé...) - ýòî ñîâñåì íå âàæíî, ïðîñòî íåâîçìîæíî ïóòàòü çíà÷åíèå.

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Peer comment(s):

agree Stefano Asperti : In northern Italy it's usually pronounced with /z/ (i.e. the "s" in "lose"). That's also the pronounciation in standard Italian / I'm perfectly aware of it :-) I studied linguistics and I'm an actor ;-)
7 mins
"Standard" Italian is an artificial language only linguists and theatre actors study. In any case, as far as Natalia is concerned, there is no practical difference.
agree Cynthia Cook
13 mins
agree Jo Macdonald : Yep, much better answer than mine. Nice one Nicola.
22 mins
agree Alessandra Sticotti (X)
1 hr
agree silvia b (X) : it's definitely a voiced /z/ in standard Italian, in my opinion
1 hr
agree Alfredo Tutino : You're right - I'm a southerner and do tend to overlook the fact that some Norhtern barbarians pretend they speak Italian... ;-) ... - and let's not get started on the correct way of pronouncing the consonant "z" :-)
1 hr
agree Chiara Cacucci
2 hrs
agree lanzarotti
4 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you"
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With an s



Hi Natalia,
I’d say with an s, as in Thomas. Tommasini = a little Thomas
;-)

Peer comment(s):

agree Alfredo Tutino : at least two little Thomases, in fact... ;-)
2 mins
agree BrigitteHilgner : With Alfredo.
9 mins
agree silvia tamanini
16 mins
neutral Nicola (Mr.) Nobili : It exclusively depends on the region of Italy... Yes, in the North an "s" between two vowels is almost invariably /z/. See my comments below.
16 mins
Thanks guys. Alfredo, yep many of them. ;-) Nicola, would it be pronounced more with a z in the Northern regions you reckon? Actually, I have friends from the Bolzzzzzzano area who pronounce everything like that.
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3 mins

S

it's an Italian name and the pronounciation is with S
Peer comment(s):

neutral Nicola (Mr.) Nobili : Yes, but that does not say anything about the actual pronunciation of "s": like in "lose" or like in "lost"? See my answer below.
22 mins
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