| Pages in topic: [1 2] > | Using "In this context" in the question line in KudoZ (Staff: glossary form should be maintained) Thread poster: Fernando Larrazabal
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Should "In this context" or "notes" be added as an option when asking a Kudoz question, apart from "Explanation/Context ..."?
An asker recently complained because the question was posted as "whatever (in this context)"
and a moderator had changed it into "whatever".
The moderator did the change following Kudoz rule ... See more Should "In this context" or "notes" be added as an option when asking a Kudoz question, apart from "Explanation/Context ..."?
An asker recently complained because the question was posted as "whatever (in this context)"
and a moderator had changed it into "whatever".
The moderator did the change following Kudoz rule 1.4 (maintaining glossary form).
http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_general/1.4#1.4
The asker observed than doing a term search for ""(in this context)" in, at least, the English/Spanish and Spanish/English pairs, produces around 3200 hits. That is, there are around 3200 violations of the rule.
[Subject edited by staff or moderator 2011-01-05 01:20 GMT] ▲ Collapse
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Fernando, as we have discussed, this would be a rule violation - Rule 1.4 clearly says "Glossary form must be maintained. Draft glossaries are generated automatically from KudoZ questions and answers. For this reason, expressions such as 'see below' must not be entered in the boxes provided for terms, either when posting source terms or proposing translations. Question marks, quote marks, unnecessary capitalization and anything else that would not be found in a dictionary, should not be entered.... See more Fernando, as we have discussed, this would be a rule violation - Rule 1.4 clearly says "Glossary form must be maintained. Draft glossaries are generated automatically from KudoZ questions and answers. For this reason, expressions such as 'see below' must not be entered in the boxes provided for terms, either when posting source terms or proposing translations. Question marks, quote marks, unnecessary capitalization and anything else that would not be found in a dictionary, should not be entered. Translations entered for glossary-building KudoZ must include the translated term, a definition and at least an example of use, all in the corresponding target language."
I work in several pairs, and, especially in FR-EN, this rule is almost ALWAYS enforced.
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| | | | | It's pointless to say "In this context" | Jan 3, 2011 |
Apart from being a rule violation, I find it irritating. Almost all KudoZ questions are looking for a translation in a particular context, and what askers seem to be saying is "This question is not as obvious as it might look" - but that's for us, the answerers, to decide.
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We have this conversation regularly - context is vital for a good translation. I'm with Phil - "in this context" in the headline. followed by little or no context in the asker box is annoying.
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Gianni Pastore 
Italy
Local time: 17:04
Member (2007)
English to Italian
philgoddard wrote:
Apart from being a rule violation, I find it irritating. Almost all KudoZ questions are looking for a translation in a particular context, and what askers seem to be saying is "This question is not as obvious as it might look" - but that's for us, the answerers, to decide.
| | | | Jack Doughty
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:04
Russian to English
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In memoriam | Does this apply to glossary entries made by asker or answerer? | Jan 3, 2011 |
If I enter a word in the glossary with a meaning unusual for that word, I add "(in this context)", assuming that this will cause anyone looking it up to go to the original question and see what the context is. Have I been in breach of this rule for the past ten years? No-one has ever queried or changed it, or if they have, I have not been informed.
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If no one has ever slapped your wrists, you're lucky! If the question has already been asked but you think your context is different, you should say so and include a link to the previous post(s).
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philgoddard wrote:
Apart from being a rule violation, I find it irritating. Almost all KudoZ questions are looking for a translation in a particular context, and what askers seem to be saying is "This question is not as obvious as it might look" - but that's for us, the answerers, to decide.
And rule 1.4 has a logic for the glossary entry.
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| In this context | Jan 4, 2011 |
Travelin Ann wrote:
Fernando, as we have discussed, this would be a rule violation - Rule 1.4 clearly says "Glossary form must be maintained. Draft glossaries are generated automatically from KudoZ questions and answers. For this reason, expressions such as 'see below' must not be entered in the boxes provided for terms, either when posting source terms or proposing translations. Question marks, quote marks, unnecessary capitalization and anything else that would not be found in a dictionary, should not be entered. Translations entered for glossary-building KudoZ must include the translated term, a definition and at least an example of use, all in the corresponding target language."
I work in several pairs, and, especially in FR-EN, this rule is almost ALWAYS enforced.
Ann
To me, regardless of the Kudoz rules, the term in this context makes perfect sense. For example, in German the word Bestand is a polysemic term that has quite different translations in Spanish depending on the context and all of them within the business vocabulary.
For example, Bestand means balance in accounting, portfolio in assets management, stock in logistics, etc. and has a quite different meaning depending on the business area you are translating. How should these translations of the very same original term be differentiated in Kudoz glossaries? Answer is obvious: in this context.
By the way, all these translations are usual terms in business jargon, at least in Spanish.
[Edited at 2011-01-04 11:27 GMT]
| | | | Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 17:04
Member (2002)
English to German
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| @ Pablo - I do see your point but... | Jan 4, 2011 |
... I think this topic was rather about entering "in this context" in the question headline, which should be avoided because it goes without saying that any question comes with a particular context to be described in the field provided specifically for this purpose. I'm fully with philgoddard ("entering 'in this context' is pointless") because this addition would add unnecessary (disruptive) clutter to the term headline.
My 2 cents,
Steffen
| | | | | The point is where "in this context" is placed | Jan 4, 2011 |
It's fine to put in this context in the body of the question, explaining why the usual dictionary or glossary entries don't seem to work.
The point is that the original question had in this context in the headline, which interferes with the draft glossary which is created as soon as the question goes live.
| | | | | Not for points | Jan 4, 2011 |
When a question is marked as "not for points", this appears in the headline of the question but in a different color and "not for points" is not incorporated into the glossary that will be created.
In the pairs I mentioned, there were so many violations of the rule because the askers didn't find or have a way to stress the context issue.
My suggestion is to add an option as that for "no points" that will appear in the headline (not in the final glossary) using "in this ... See more When a question is marked as "not for points", this appears in the headline of the question but in a different color and "not for points" is not incorporated into the glossary that will be created.
In the pairs I mentioned, there were so many violations of the rule because the askers didn't find or have a way to stress the context issue.
My suggestion is to add an option as that for "no points" that will appear in the headline (not in the final glossary) using "in this context" or "as in ..."
Adding "in this context" could mean: look, I have already checked all the glossaries and entries and I cannot find what I'm looking for so, please, do not bother giving me a quick answer with the usual translation of that term because that's not what I need.
It would then be irritating if the asker didn't enter the context in the body of the question. ▲ Collapse
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| In this context | Jan 4, 2011 |
Steffen Walter wrote:
... I think this topic was rather about entering "in this context" in the question headline, which should be avoided because it goes without saying that any question comes with a particular context to be described in the field provided specifically for this purpose. I'm fully with philgoddard ("entering 'in this context' is pointless") because this addition would add unnecessary (disruptive) clutter to the term headline.
My 2 cents,
Steffen
I agree. "In this context" should not be in the question headline. There is a specific box to give context from the askers side and at the left of this one it is clearly written: .../context. But, in the glossary I guess there should be a mean to provide in wich context a polysemic word makes sense or not.
[Edited at 2011-01-04 22:21 GMT]
| | | | | Glossary form must be maintained | Jan 5, 2011 |
Hi all,
http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_general/1.4#1.4 states that glossary form must be maintained. For this reason, expressions such as 'see below' (or "in this context") must not be entered in the boxes provided for terms, either when posting source terms or proposing translations. Note that this applies to the boxes for supplying the asked term or the translated t... See more Hi all,
http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_general/1.4#1.4 states that glossary form must be maintained. For this reason, expressions such as 'see below' (or "in this context") must not be entered in the boxes provided for terms, either when posting source terms or proposing translations. Note that this applies to the boxes for supplying the asked term or the translated term.
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